Wow, I'm basking in the glow of 2 Ray compliments, count 'em--2. Thanks. By the way, I totally understand about the 3rd valve slide thing from the music forum side. You're a crossover player--it's second nature. If I started playing legit stuff again, which I'd like to if the local symphony had an opening, I'd have to grease up my third valve slide and brush up my double and triple tonguing.