Someone asked who preceded Roger, and I think it was Don Downs, who was on around 84-85. I think Byron Stripling was also on in 84 before him. Downs wasn't on any albums, but he did appear on a PBS special with Woody (the one with Pete Barbutti and Clark Terry), and also appeared on 'Big Bands at Disney'. Some of the PBS special was included on the video Woody Herman Remembered. He sounded great on that band.